Links List 7.25.08
July 25th, 2008by Sean Gorman
Not only can you drive with Google Maps directions, you can now take a walk with them. Google added walking directions to its Google Maps product today. The walking directions ignore one-way streets and Google Maps tries to give pedestrians the most direct and flat route possible.
Speaking of Google Maps, CNET raises the question of whether or not Google Maps can (and should) be used for good or evil. One argument states that Google Maps helps awful people find you, but the other argues that Google Maps helps you find awful people. Then again, consider the 51 things you aren’t allowed to see on Google Maps. It looks as though some data isn’t as open as we’d like it to be. From government restrictions to personal-privacy lawsuits, there’s just some information that we can’t see on GoogleMaps.
Andy Powell asks, “does metadata matter” in a recent presentation. He provides history on metadata and wonders if his organization is justified in its current focus and significant interest in this area. Is yours?
Having trouble keeping crowdsourcing straight? Check out the many names of crowdsourcing GIS from GIS Lounge. From neography to collaborative GIS, it’s all covered.
WunderMap released a hurricane tracking service this week, which is perfect timing for hurricane season. WunderMap displays the current position, strength and movement of every tropical storm across the world that threatens to become a hurricane, typhoon or cyclone. For more in depth hurricane information, check out these Google Earth files from Hurricane Hunters. The files allow you to watch live hurricane recon missions, or see the results from recent missions.
Will mobile phone companies purchase GIS companies to offer conventional GIS services? It’s not clear now (and obviously won’t be the iPhone), but it will be interesting to see who’s on first. Has GIS really gone mainstream though?
Popularity: 17% [?]
Collective Stupidity: The Negative Externalities of Crowds and Why HyperLocal Could be Lame
July 10th, 2008by Sean Gorman
Web 2.0 has created a grand collection of buzzwords and two of the most prominent have been “collective intelligence” and the “wisdom of crowds“. Both terms are closely related and have been some of the driving forces behind the success of popular applications like Digg, Wikipedia, OpenStreetMap and Freebase to name a few. While there are many positives associated with these aspects’ crowd behavior, there are also negative possibilities.
This struck home for me on my 4th of July drive from Princeton, NJ back to Washington DC. I’d been on a lucky roll avoiding traffic and toll backups till I arrived at the Susquehanna Bridge and traffic ground to a halt with red brakes lights flaring. I spent the next 45 minutes creeping along in a stop and go morass. As we poked along I began to wonder what the cause of the congestion would be, ranging from 1) a big wreck 2) road construction 3) DUI check point 4) a deer strike 5) Britney Spears pulled over for speeding or 6) an alien landing…
Eventually I got to the crest of a hill and saw the culprit. On the other side of the interstate, going in the opposite direction, a car had been pulled over by two cops (and the occupant wasn’t even Britney Spears). As traffic came parallel to the pulled over car everyone slammed on their brakes to have a good long look then went back to regular speed - no congestion - flowing smoothly.
In economics terms this is called “rent seeking” behavior “Cutting yourself a bigger slice of the cake rather than making the cake bigger.” In this case, cars are getting their slice of cake looking at the silliness on the side of the road and the whole cake suffers from a 45 minute delay. There are lots of examples like this where a crowd results in a negative externality - often times not intuitive like Braess’s Paradox where adding additional lanes to a highway or building a new road or bridge actually increases traffic congestion. Here the crowd all takes the new or expanded route (collectively stupid) and traffic gets worse.
We see the negative externalities of crowds happening all the time whether it is in traffic congestion or financial markets. This made me wonder what the negative externalities of crowds were on the Web. Some have posited that the negativity comes in using crowds for prediction since it means the abandonment of the scientific method. Further, that innovation rarely comes from crowds but individuals (see Schumpeter) - crowds doom us to mediocrity. Keen and others have called this the “Cult of the Amateur” or “The People vs. the Expert“.
All good and interesting points, but the traffic bottle neck on I-95 reminded me of another pitfall with crowds and their potential for rent seeking behaviour. The crowd can often focus on what is directly in front of them and not the context of the bigger picture. That is effectively rubber necking. Compare it to animals that become fixated on a “bright shiny object” - like your cat or dog chasing a laser pointer spot into the wall.
We see this all the time on the Web and in the media where some small piece of information taken out of context, is spread by the crowd, and taken as fact. There are entire websites devoted to dispelling Obama myths, and even Obamapedia a wiki for correcting Obama falsehoods spread on Web. It is a bipartisan affair and the world has been convinced by YouTube clips that Bush can hardly spell his own name or pronounce the majority of English words. Taken in context both are equally preposterous, but the crowd spreads them as gospel and we all become collectively dumber.
This is also the fear I have of hyperlocal and the narrow focus media companies have on it. If we provide hyperlocal information without context we run the risk building the local equivalent of TMZ that just serve up vacuous information. Some traditional media folks I’ve talked to feel the only place their readers want a map is when it’s delivering hyperlocal information like movie theaters and restaurants near them.
When it comes to GIS there is still a prominent fear of the crowd (a.k.a. the public) especially when it comes to creating maps and data. This goes back to the people versus the expert debate above. The fear that letting the masses in will corrupt information and result in mediocrity that cannot be worked with. The conclusion by some of the GIS establishment is that you should keep barriers to entry high to keep the amateurs out. This is the debate that has been going on over on James Fee’s blog in regards to what we’ve been trying to do with Finder!. I won’t try to reproduce it here, but the debate between the wisdom and/or stupidity of crowds is alive and well.
I have not convinced myself that traffic congestion, rent-seeking behavior, crowdsourcing and hyperlocal actually all connect well together, but we’ll see what the crowd dictates (sarcasm here).
Popularity: 15% [?]
Will the Real Steve Coast Please Stand Up?
June 30th, 2008by Sean Gorman
We had the opportunity to speak with Steve Coast, the Founder of OpenStreetMap (OSM) and Cloud Made as well as The Fake Steve Coast. Prior to creating OSM and Cloud Made, the real Steve Coast interned at Wolfram Research then pursued a degree in computer science and physics at the University of College, London. Known and respected highly for his work on geo webs, the real Steve Coast enlightened us in with his thoughts on crowdsourcing, datasharing, open source and the future of the Geo Web. Although there wasn’t any public information about The Fake Steve Coast, we couldn’t resist hearing his thoughts also.
FortiusOne: What perspective does OpenStreetMap take on GIS?
Steve Coast: It’s the Church, we’re the Bazaar. OSM is about community and getting people to map boring places on a Sunday afternoon and in many ways the technology just doesn’t matter - all it has to do is get out of the way. There’s a lot to GIS, there’s a lot of very valid uses, but we don’t have the same notions of top down ontologies and the other engineering paradigms about doing things the Right Way.
The Fake Steve Coast: We like to think of GIS as being like Mad Uncle Jim. He should shave a bit more often and no-one really understands what he’s on about, but he’s fairly harmless, and he’ll die soon anyway.
FortiusOne: How does crowdsourcing impact datasharing?
Steve Coast: Well, we’ll reduce the price of the base map data to zero much as
linux reduced the price of an operating system to zero. I think that will make people realise that their datasets aren’t all as valuable as they think - much as Sun open sourced their OS and languages. Thus with a bit of luck there will be more sharing, liberal licenses and innovation based on all that.
The Fake Steve Coast: We see datasharing as one of the three types of Free. There’s "free as in beer", that’s Google Maps and the top-down approach. There’s "free as in speech", that’s us and crowdsourcing. Datasharing is "free as in BitTorrent", which is some guy in Russia "rehosting" the $3bn spatial database you’ve spent your lifetime on. Sorry about that.
FortiusOne: How do you picture the future relationship between open source and commercial data?
Steve Coast: I think it will look like much of the OS market. Hybrid models such as
Mac OS X - based on many Free projects, closed like Microsoft and almost totally open like Linux. In some markets the race to the bottom will happen just like it is right now with cell phone operating systems.
The Fake Steve Coast: atlasteq:~ wget http://planet.openstreetmap.org/planet-latest.osm
atlasteq:~ sed -e ’s/user="[^"]+"/user="atlasteq"/g’ planet-latest.osm> ourbigproprietarydb.gis
FortiusOne: What is the future of commercial data?
Steve Coast: More liberal licensing, accepting changes from customers (note customers, not community. It’s going to be way harder for them to build that), cheaper, more differentiation with different types and styles of maps.
The Fake Steve Coast: Pwned.
FortiusOne: Please describe the relationship between OSM and CloudMade.
Steve Coast: Much the same as RedHat and other Linux product and service provides’ relationship with various F/OSS projects. We help wherever we can and provide commercially the things that the community cannot. Reliability, scaling, data in different formats/projections, services with time constraints and so on.
The Fake Steve Coast: CloudMade is like the Navy Seals of collaborative mapping. We hire the supermen of OSM and pay them to work on the really hard stuff, e.g. installing Mapnik. They’ve been at it for 9 weeks now and we reckon we might have the test script running in about a month’s time.
FortiusOne: What is the next big thing for the GeoWeb?
Steve Coast: Well many seem to think 3D but my money is on pervasive location - it won’t be a geoweb, it will just be that your phone knows you like burritos after going to a bar. It knows where you are and routes you to a burrito. It’ll disappear in to the background much like email, browsing, cell phones and so on. Who knew that SMS would be such a cash cow for cell phones in Europe? The model will probably be something slightly askance like that, and then it will have been totally obvious all along.
The Fake Steve Coast: Germans. We’re ahead of the curve there. Although Germans don’t do curves, they do really, really precise polylines.
FortiusOne: What do you see as the successful business model for the GeoWeb?
Steve Coast: Advertising has potential as does services - but with the big three not really interested in making money nobody else can be. Expect a shake down if and when they are interested in paying the rent.
The Fake Steve Coast: Buy big monster truck. Mount camera and GPS on top. Drive around world in it. Sell result to Google for $$$$ before they realise people will do this for you, for free. Sell truck to Nokia for $$$$ before they realise people etc. etc. Retire to Caribbean.
FortiusOne: What is next for OpenStreetMap?
Steve Coast: Our conference is coming up (www.stateofthemap.org) next month and we just screamed past 43,000 users. So expect our first crowd source country to be completely mapped (likely Germany or the UK) and a big celebration when it happens.
The Fake Steve Coast: We have this great new deal with Nestoria, the real estate site who use our data. In return for giving them free data, they give us free house moves, so when you’ve mapped your neighbourhood they just relocate you somewhere unmapped.
Which is great, until we finish Europe and have to move to Zimbabwe. Maybe we should get aerial imagery instead.
FortiusOne: What do you think of Google’s new MapMaker?
Steve Coast: I really do believe it’s a poke at their own data suppliers and it’s them that should be more worried than us. OSMs fundamental reasons for existence remain more than intact. We didn’t down tools because of the Peoples Map and we won’t when the next proprietary dataset emerges.
The Fake Steve Coast: So this is 2008 and they finally have an editor that doesn’t work properly, aerial images that don’t line up with the vectors, edit wars in Cyprus and Pakistan, dodgy coastlines, confusion between mph and km/h. We’ve had all those advantages for years now.
But obviously we’re concerned. If MapMaker can combine the success of Orkut, the ethical policy of google.cn, the reliability of Google Groups, the rich feature set of Blogger, the respect for source copyright of YouTube, and the widespread impact of Knol, we’re laughing. Sorry, I mean ’screwed’.
Seriously. We started OSM in 2004 because though Ordnance Survey had a complete map of Britain, it wasn’t open. In 2012 Google might have a complete map of the world but it won’t be open either. The world still needs OSM.
Popularity: 25% [?]
James Fee Gives His Two Cents on GIS and GeoWeb
June 4th, 2008by Sean Gorman
We had the opportunity to catch up with James Fee at Spatially Adjusted and Planet Geospatial to get his opinion on the current and future state of GIS and the GeoWeb. James is a certified GIS Professional (GISP) and GIS developer, analyst, and consultant and has spent the last decade implementing, developing and consulting on GIS projects. He has experience with almost all of the large players in the geospatial field such as ESRI, MapInfo, Manifold, OSGeo (MapServer, GDAL, QGIS, OpenLayers), MapDotNet, Oracle, Microsoft and Google.
FortiusOne: Where do you see GIS going in the next 10 years?
James Fee: I think data and collaboration will be huge in the next 10 years. The explosion of Neogeography and projects such as OpenStreetMap have brought many new faces into GIS. Not only are we seeing spatial data being pushed out to the public at large, but this data is beginning to be integrated into GIS workflows. We’ll begin to see metadata and documentation of these datasets as well making them very valuable.
While freely sharing data has been great, the next logical step is allowing companies to monetize their datasets, share as easily. The ability to pay and use data services should revolutionize the industry. The price of data hasn’t really been a limiting factor yet, but the difficulty of integrating these datasets into online mapping or even in desktop GIS has hurt adoption. In addition the speed of geospatial data services has been poor so moving these services into the Cloud should improve performance and increase profitability given that there is no need for large overhead (such as servers, or bandwidth).
FortiusOne: Will there be convergence between GIS and the GeoWeb to the point that they become indistinguishable?
James Fee: Possibly, I think this have been the holy grail that everyone has been trying to attain. GIS by its nature is complex and you generally need complex solutions to complex problems. That said I think we’ll see many operations that were the domain of GIS begin to be part of the GeoWeb. Basic geoprocessing over the web via an easy-to-use interface can satisfy a vast number of use cases of general users without hitting them over the head with a steep learning curve.
Usually moving GIS to general uses has been by giving them the kitchen sink and expecting them to figure it out. Simple solutions to their “simple” problems is how we’ll see GIS and the GeoWeb converge. Over time more and more “complex” analysis will be available to use by just about anyone with a computer, but I’m not sure we’ll see that in the next 10 years.
FortiusOne: Do datasharing and crowdsourcing have a place in GIS?
James Fee: Yes, but the problem is how do you give GIS professionals the ability to use the data and make decisions about its accuracy. I guess it brings up the question, do you trust a Biologist in the field with at GPS more than a hobbyist? I’d guess most GIS professionals would pick the Biologist, but a degree in Biology doesn’t mean the data is necessarily good.
Datasharing and crowdsourcing are great ideas but for GIS to use them, they need metadata, documentation, and possibly a rating system. A “marketplace” should allow users to rate the quality and accuracy of the data which both helps others make decisions about the data and gives feedback to the creator on how they can improve their dataset. OpenStreetMap has been a great example on how “experts” can help “novices” grow to be experts in data collection.
FortiusOne: Should there be a marketplace for online geodata?
James Fee: Totally, I think there has to be. First off, you need some place users can feel comfortable buying data. Second you need a place where data can be rated and reviewed. Third you need a place where data providers can put their information in the cloud for quick and easy access buy everyone. If someone is investing time and energy into creating their data, I don’t see any reason they can’t be rewarded for this.
I think some data will be available via micropayments and other data will be very expensive (or the ability to pay for read only data vs editable data). Having some place where users can go to both sell and buy data, search for data, and review data is critical today. Sure Google will index spatial data, but being able to go to a focused marketplace will put buyers and sellers together quickly. And at least today, any site that sells data should be compatible with ESRI software. Offering up data types that aren’t compatible with ESRI will limit any marketplace.
FortiusOne: What emerging technology trend will have the biggest impact on GIS?
James Fee: I think putting a GPS in so many “ordinary” things is going to impact GIS immensely. Walking around with a GPS in your phone should give you access to many GIS applications, digital cameras and video cameras with GPS will spatially enable tons of datasets.
FortiusOne: What is your reaction to the Google – ESRI announcement?
James Fee: We’ll have to see what impact this really has. It isn’t revolutionary the idea that Google might index GIS servers, the hard part is getting all these traditional ESRI clients to open up their data is the challenge. They’ll need to see the benefit to allowing users to view their data in any way they choose rather than the traditional hard to use ESRI web mapping front end.
FortiusOne: What impact will Google have on GIS?
James Fee: Google has already had a huge impact on GIS. At a minimal level, it has already allowed GIS users to search for data sets. Google Maps has totally changed how web mapping is used and displayed on the internet, Google Earth has pushed 3D GIS to the mainstream and now their geo search 2.0 and geo sitemaps they pushing spatial searching. Google has been really good about getting spatial data in front of everyone in a way everyone can use it. GIS has learned much from this and the new tools coming out by ESRI, Autodesk, etc. all are very “Google-like”.
Popularity: 25% [?]
Links List 5.5.08
May 5th, 2008by Sean Gorman
Mapufacture shows off some new functionality which includes adding layers of data. With improved layering and editing options, users will be able to visualize data in a whole new way.
Microsoft has declared “geotagging has gone mainstream”. Microsoft Pro Photo and the power of metadata are discussed by Dan Catt.
Local and federal government continues to find a way to utilize geodata and GIS technologies. GeoBlade is based on an ESRI platform and is being offered to local government agencies in need of an enterprise GIS solution.
GIS Lounge shares a post that advocates the use of Google Earth over GIS mapping applications for its ease of use in sharing archaeological and paleontological data.
Popularity: 14% [?]





